I just have a regular old cell. Totally agree with you, Khaoz lol.

khaoz i dont know what youre talking about. the iphone has just as good features, but the best one is the software. its got the best software on it of any phone by far.

You played with a Dare? Software seems great to me though the iPhone does have a leg up here. The Dare has much better camera software than the iphone though. Camera picture quality trumps the iphone, and the fact that it has video up to dvd quality is nice as well. The iphone has what? a camera, no flash, no extra software on the phone for that camera like noise reduction, or face recognition, etc.

GPS? The iphone is all text based. Like i want to read my phone while i'm driving. LG Dare has text and voice.

It's smaller, lighter, has a mircoSD slot, and i could go on and on with this but it's pointless since everyone will still buy iphones. We're the generation of Idiocracy. We do what the TV and trends tell us is the "cool" thing. I mean, i bet average Americans know more about Paris Hilton or Kim Kardashian than John McCain or Barrack Obama.

Anyway, this rant is pointless since everyone wants to "look cool" and have the same phone as everyone else does. I mean, look at me, I had a RAZR too just like everyone else did. It got so bad that since everyone had the same phone, the cool people were the ones with the rare colors, lol. "ooh, look. he's got a red razr". Now it'll be "hey look at that guy, he has the white iphone"

I just felt it necessary to let you all know that Khaoz's av is moving perfectly in sync with my music right now. It's pretty awesome.

P.S. iPhones are cool. And plus, the Dare's screen is laggy.

The screen is laggy? You're thinking of the Glyde, which does have a laggy screen. That was one of the things I liked about the dare, that it wasn't laggy at all. Everything I wanted it to do it did instantly.

The iphone is cool though, I just wish it had a better Camera. If they ever put a decent Camera in the iphone, i'd probably get one. The one thing the iphone has on the dare, and this is pretty much the only thing there is that the iphone does better, but it's a big thing, is the open format they have for apps. Allowing devs to make free apps, etc etc. They predict there will be 500 new apps for the iphone within its lifetime, and like 150 of those should be free. That includes games.

That alone almost makes me want it over the Dare, but when I think of the Camera and the GPS on the iphone, i change my mind back to wanting a Dare. It's a close decision tbh.

With my 2 kids and with me never wanting to drag around my phone AND a regular camera, the camera on my next phone is very important to me. The fact that the Dare does dvd resolution video and allows you to instantly upload that video to youtube, myspace, facebook, etc, makes me really want the Dare.

There are still a few other phones i'm considering. I have friends who own both the Dare and iphone and a nokia n82 which has a 5mp camera, and a k850i which also has a 5mp camera, and I'm having a hard time picking between the bunch after playing with each one. There's things about all of them that I like.

khaoz youre not really listening to me.. i said the iphone is on par with most good phones, but has much better software. sure there are phones out there with better cameras, or better GPS, or whatever, but iphone has best software hands down. the camera isnt great so they dont need great camera software, but in time... the GPS on the new iphone is a huge improvement. and fuck driving, most states now have laws against having anything other than a conversation on your phone (ie. texting, web, etc)

your numbers on the apps are a bit off. the app store launched with OVER 500 apps. right now its over 800--200 of which are free. more than 90% are $10 or less. theres going to be thousands of apps soon enough, all of which are native.

Khaoz, you know that TomTom is making software for the iPhone, right?

Anyway, I ended up not getting it yet because they ran out. I have one on order, and they told me that it should be here in the next 7 days or so.

...and I get an employee discount. Thanks Emerson!

My point is, everyone has different needs. Till the iphone gets a better Camera, it doesn't come close to meeting mine, so for my needs, the iphone sucks. Besides, I'm not going to pay out the asshole to get some retarded Data plan like iphone users have to get to even use half that shit.

And wtf is up with all the simple features found in basic phones these days, not being put on the iphone?

Things they need to improve on:

The battery. How do they get away with releasing a phone that you can't swap the battery on? With 3G, you're pushing it to make it through one day, and if you forget to charge it that night, you're fucked. So you want to swap to your backup battery.... wait. You can't.

Can't hook the phone up to my laptop to use it as my 3G modem, and save ass tons of money instead of having to have a seperate 3G modem. The AT&T Tilt does this as well as other phones, why not the iphone? That's like $800 a year they could be saving me.

No cut and paste? Seriously? wow...

They claim this thing is part ipod, yet it has no stereo bluetooth option. The tech has been around a long time, why hasn't apple caught up?

Still no flash player? Why is this? No voice dialing? No mobile TV? No microSD card slot?


All in all the iphone is a great little machine other than its shitty camera, and I'd get one as i've said if they had a decent camera and video capturing option, but there is a lot of room to grow from what apple has now. Maybe the iphone 4G will improve on many of these requests. It would be nice. Either way though, it's a good phone and a good start in a fun direction. They took the LG Prada touch screen phone and made it fun and simple for the American masses. I can't wait to see what the future holds for other prada clones like the iphone, or for smart phones in general.

win some lose some

i really dont care about a swappable battery. laptop id care.